Skull and Swords

[rook]

Everyone that is complaing about the rooks needs to quit their pregnant doging. First off the rooks are nutsty this year (I am one), but you upperclassmen need to keep your d**n mouths shut. The ones who are complaining are generally in no clubs or sports and are just at Norwich thinking you are a badass. Well the light just went on buddy, Norwich isn't meant to just come to school and leave when your four years are up. You have to do some clubs.
I AM A TERRIBLY ROOK. I dont follow the rules, I dont like csm's, I was probably the kid laughing in their face. You know why I don't follow the rules? Because I know that I can get away with it. If anything you should be thanking me for being such a nutshead because maybe it will prove to jackman that this school is not the school it used to be and it is a military school that needs change.
As for as whoever said "S and S help us if your out there (regarding the rooks)", I got one thing to say. hahahahaha

[Gadoosh]

I think the most interesting thing about the rooks post above is that he won't last 4 years there. Maybe he'll make it to sophomore or even junior year. But I'd put money on him dropping out like so many other know-it-all nutsbags. Makes me wonder why they would drop so much money to go to military school, only to try to break all the rules. Kind of defeats the purpose. Maybe the silver sthingy is stuck up the ol' rectum.

I think that 572 were good guys and that there was a couple of them that unintentionally brought the whole thing down. It's sad that the society that stood for what is the ideal cadet had fallen so far from grace. Even though the last guys were punished, I don't really believe anyone ever lost respect for them though.

[rook]

haha. Let me clarify myself..
I spend about 0 dollars on this school.
I am actually on scholarship, so ponder that.
I break the rules to prove a point. Once someone wakes up and realizes it time to change then people like me will follow the rules.

[Gadoosh]

Even more pathetic than paying your way. You get a free ride and then throw it out the window. I wonder if it's a military scholarship. If so, that's even more sad that you might be leading others into battle someday. Nice work setting the example. It's people like you that are the problem. That's what you don't understand. Perhaps you will be the one to wake up and decides one day to lead by example instead of just being an annoying douche who thinks he is making a point by.....how genius.......not following the rules. You're an idiot.

[FutureOfTheCorps]

Gadoosh, i couldnt agree more.

granted my last post was during rook week, my point was that rook week is when you least expect disobedience bc of how scared, intimidated, and under pressure the rooks SHOULD be.

rooks....now privates, need to understand that coming here and breaking the rules will teach nothing more than...you guessed it, how to break rules. just wait till you are cadre, have leadership in ROTC or sports/clubs and people decide to break you're rules and rub it in your face. then you will wake up.

[SS Lives]

I know for a fact the Skull & Swords lives on....they have started a schloarship fund and if history is any barometer there was always an annual meeting of some sorts in Boston on the Sat before Christmas...that would be this Sat night.

[HCO 97]

Well, I can tell you one, thing: Somethings never change at Norwich. All the complaints from current rooks and cadets (too easy on freshen, Jackman is disconnected, etc) have not changed in the last 15+ years that I have been connected to the school.

And "west" or who ever else says, leave the past alone, don't question things, etc. please.... I played into that stuff back in the day, but time to move on. Too funny.

[guest]

Wow... whoever sent out the post saying you do all that stuff because you can get away with it... It's people like you who bring a bad name to this school and the military. It downright scares me to think one day, scum like you might be leading our men in the military. You aren't proving anything besides the fact that you are immature and obviously don't have a firm grip on reality. So what if the school isn't as hard as you would like it to be? Get the most out of it that you can. I shared a somewhat similar viewpoint as you in my first couple weeks here, (yes, I am a freshman now too) except I didn't look at it with such a childish attitude. I saw there was something to learn from it. Take the flaws you see in the way things are run now, and use it to build your leadership style. (not that I think you possess any leadership traits anyways...) If anybody needs to wake up, it's you. Sure, I break rules here and there, but I would never go so far as to disrespect my cadre or CSM like some clown like you.

I'm probably just wasting my time writing this anyways. I know if you read this you'll just ignore it or reply with some immature comeback justifying your actions. Enjoy your scholarship. It's good to know a low life like you gets a free ride while some of us had to work really hard to get where we are now. And guess what? You don't see me complaining. Rather be where I am now, knowing I worked I disagree off to get it, than a whining charity case like you.

[Chosen]

All this talk about what "572" means. I believe that the post dated August 25, 2006 was an attempt to throw you off.

Notice the name of the person who the posted the proposed meaning of 572 on 8/26/2006..........KRB Flint.

KRB Flint as we all know was NU 1903. He authored the Cadet Creed that still exists today at Norwich.


"I believe that real education presupposes a sense of proportion in physical, mental, and moral development; and that he alone is educated who has learned the lessons of self control and open-mindedness".

KRB Flint was also a Professor of Political Science at NU and died in 1969.

Look at the key pad for any regular desk telephone......

K : 5, R : 7, and B : 2

Perhaps the chapter numerals, or a dedication to a man and perhaps "adviser"

There really is no science to it at all.

Enough Said........

[MotivatedRook13]

First off I'd like to say yes I am currently a freshmen but I believe I have a different outlook than most in my class on the importance of Norwich. This institution is supposed to be breeding military officers and leaders of the best quality, not funneling freshmen arrogance and wit into finding loopholes in the system. I've wanted to come here for years, I even gave up a spot to a federal academy as I saw better potential from Norwich.

Now, the traditions, history, and spirt this school has had over its long and rich life needs to be upheld. I know I'm probaly preaching to the choir but Skulls and Swords is a vital part of that background. No matter how hard anyone may try they can't rid the Wick of its spirit. I hope S & S remains and upholds the right of all Norwich Cadets to call this Hill our home and this regiment our family.

If any former or current S & S members have any feedback, positive or negative, I appreciate it for its worth. I'm not saying I want in, I'm not saying I want to remain idle; I'm just saying I don't want to see this school go down the wrong path.

My email is [e-mail]

[Red Horse]

One question to ask those seeking the answers behind 572.

What will you gain if (by chance) you uncover its meaning? If the society is gone, its true experiences lie within those who know. Those who have stumbled upon what they feel are pieces to the puzzle over the years are never going to see the picture on the box, and thus never truly know how the pieces fit together.

If the society is not gone as some suggest, active members certainly would not be advertising.

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As for the Freshmen, in particular the one who posted about getting away with breaking the rules, you will need to learn the hard way I just pray that it is while you are still in school. If you do graduate, some here don't think you will, but if you do, know that you will hold upon your head the lives of men and women of our armed forces. This is no small burden to carry, and with it comes great responsibility. This responsibility is not something that you have proven thus far, at least on this form, but hopefully one day you will grow up before it is to late.
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-Red Horse

[COL MA SMITH]

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THE SKULL AND SWORDS WILL ALWAYS BE, SO WILL THETA CHI FRATERNITY, IF YOU ARE RELIGIOUS IT IS LIKE THE HOLY TRINITY, ONE IN THE SAME, I KNOW THESE THINGS THEY HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS, BUT MOST CAN NOT CONNECT THE DOTS. THRUTH TEMPERANCE AND TOLERENCE. ALMA MATER FIRST, SKULL AND SWORDS FOR ALMA MATER answers behind 572. [e-mail]

What will you gain if (by chance) you uncover its meaning? If the society is gone, its true experiences lie within those who know. Those who have stumbled upon what they feel are pieces to the puzzle over the years are never going to see the picture on the box, and thus never truly know how the pieces fit together.

If the society is not gone as some suggest, active members certainly would not be advertising.

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As for the Freshmen, in particular the one who posted about getting away with breaking the rules, you will need to learn the hard way I just pray that it is while you are still in school. If you do graduate, some here don't think you will, but if you do, know that you will hold upon your head the lives of men and women of our armed forces. This is no small burden to carry, and with it comes great responsibility. This responsibility is not something that you have proven thus far, at least on this form, but hopefully one day you will grow up before it is to late.
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-Red Horse[/quote]

[Hawk]

For the past two days me and my friends have been talking about the secret societies of this school. Its really interests me to know more about what goes on in the background of this school. One story that was told to me by my friend was that the week before semester break, the power was cut from Ransom during exam week, someone was heard walking down the center of the hall with chains hanging off of their body, a note was slipped under the door of an upperclassmen, the body then walked out of the hall and was not seen again, the note that was slipped under the door read "Your Tuition has been paid in full". Apparently this cadet was going to have to leave the school after the end of the semester because his scholarships and grants had been revoked. This leads me to believe that it might have been S & S because they would help people when they needed it most, and this looks like an opportunity for them to show that they were still around.

[Hawk]

Sorry but it posted before I had time to finish A few of my friends from a different company told me that they were hanging out in the Chapel one night doing homework. There is a door in the upstairs part of the Chapel that they nor I had ever seen open. There was noise coming from the upstairs so they went up to check it out. They came by the door and saw that the door was open and so they looked inside, on the walls they saw quotes and writing on the wall. They heard someone coming closer to the door and they ran off. There's alot of theories of going around to who was up there and what group it was, I wont go into anything more than that because I dont know and have no place to talk about it. If anyone knows anything about those occurences or others, I would like to know more about it. You can reach me at [e-mail]

[NU91]

I was a cadet from 87-91 when the S&S were still on campus and when original MP Recruit "Death" never became a member. In 1988 my father become very ill and I needed to get back home to South Dakota. My rook buddies took up a collection but came up short. They went to the S&S to borrow money. The S&S members were able to come up with the $900 in about 30 minutes and told my buddies that they had until out graduation day (1991) to pay the money back to any current S&S member with no interest.

I took emergency leave for about two weeks and my very first night back on campus I was awoken in the night by S&S members who wanted their money back with interest. They actually didn't know I was the guy who needed the money. I found out later that they began harrassing several of my rook buddies. We borrowed money from some parents and paid the S&S back.

We to this day believe they are nothing more than a group of loan sharks that number no less than 6 and no more than 8.

It was my senior year (1991) that the Boston Globe uncovered information about the Night Riders due to a former cadet in Ceremonial Company (who dropped out freshman year) was facing a triple murder trial in D.C. for killing hookers stated he was hazed at Norwich by the Night Riders. I'm surprised I don't see much about that incident in this forum. As the Company Commader of Ceremonial Company that year I was interviewed by several major newspapers and CNN. The Regimental Commander was accused of being a Night Rider.

I have been reading all of the speculation about 572. When I was a cadet the Night Riders were 683 "One step ahead". Rumor has it that the two groups use to be the same and after the death of a student one half went underground while the other did not. Has anyone else heard that rumor? Also, in Pat Conroy's book "The Lords of Discipline" (a must read for any cadets) the secret society idea came from the Right Riders at Norwich not the S&S.