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Post by Admin on Feb 18, 2004 11:49:49 GMT -5
Some of you may or may not be aware that there is now a class ring for civilian students at Norwich. (I know this started in the mid-late 1990s, but I'm not sure of the exact year.)
This was actually controversial when it began, but the uproar has tempered to some degree. Usually, each year as the new year approached, a rumor broke out on campus that the civilian ring would look exactly like the NUCC ring. --During the time I was a full-time student there, this never happened.
Does anyone have any questions about the civilian ring? What are your thoughts?
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Post by dberube on Feb 18, 2004 22:07:20 GMT -5
I think your timeframe starts with the '93-'94 aka '94 class year. That was the first year of civilians living in the dorms on the UP, and I think the first year of a dual Corps and Civilian graduation. I know there were a number of unofficial ring disputes during that time and unofficial agreements that the rings would not be the same.
If anyone can dispute that, go for it.
-Berube
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Post by Admin on Feb 19, 2004 13:43:44 GMT -5
Ah-HA! I said "full-time student" which was from the fall of 1999-May 2002.
However, you are correct about the time prior to that, when I was a non-matriculating part-time student there while in high-school or while I spent a year at the University of Vermont.
From the early 90s on, there was quite a bit of dispute from both sides over lots of things, including what would appear on the civilian diploma, (mine has the Kreitzberg Library instead of the MCV gates) joint graduation, joint ring ceremony, (as of my graduation date, they are still separate) getting the civilians into dorms not located on the UP, etc.
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Post by wmadams on Mar 29, 2007 18:55:58 GMT -5
I have always supported the integration of civilians and cadets in the classroom, but I don't believe civilians should live on the UP, and I sure as hell don't think they should receive identical rings to those that cadets EARN.
Face it. The Corps of Cadets is the heart and soul of the university, and its members go through a COMPLETELY different educational experience to that of Norwich civilians.
As such, Cadets earn the right to have a unique ring that represents the common bond that Cadets have shared since 1819.
Giving the same ring to civilians is an insult to the Cadets that undertake a more rigorous college experience, and is an insult to the history and traditions of Norwich.
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Post by Admin on Apr 21, 2007 17:24:28 GMT -5
Wmadams,
I completely agree with you, on all counts. I have a class ring, it looks nothing like a cadet ring, and I volunteer it for inspection when anyone gets curious.
There is a long-range plan in the works at NU to get the civilians off the UP with the construction of a new set of buildings for them near, I think, where the tennis courts used to be. This, I think, would make everyone happier.
-Amanda
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Post by NUwLax21 on May 12, 2007 11:22:14 GMT -5
Amanda,
The first year they had the ring was either the 96/97 or the 97/98 class year. I was going to Trinity at the time and dating someone from Norwich. It was started by a few architect students. I remember some of the "Corps" protesting it and ripping signs off the walls announcing the sale of it. They had a small ceremony in Milano; i believe it was the same day as the Corps'. Unfortunately, i can only remember the irst names of 2 people on the committee.
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Post by dberube on May 23, 2007 18:30:57 GMT -5
That sounds about right. I got my ring in 96 as the class of 97. I was trying to remember what was going on with the civvie ring, then, but I was more concerned with mine.
If I remember correctly part of the discussion was why would the civilians want a ring ceremony anyways? At other colleges if you want a ring, you buy one, and then you get it, the end. When the civvies started asking for a ceremony some saw that as crossing the line. Yes rings are important to the school, but it is the corps they are important to, not the civs...
When I heard they were getting their own rings, I wasn't happy until I heard that the rings would not be the same as the corps rings and that's all I really cared about. I've seen Amanda's ring and some of the earlier civ rings and they are not the same as corps rings. Something like the diplomas, if that tradition is still around. The corps diplomas have (had?) the cannons on them and the civ ones don't.
-Berube
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